We were all just making art and hanging out. We never bought anything. The funny thing is, you didn’t need money then. Claes Oldenburg opened up a store on the Lower East Side and called it ‘The Store’ but when you walked in you realised it was a huge piece of art. That’s what our world was like, we were on an acid trip. Money was of no consequence. That’s why the Velvet Underground never really made it, because they were really artists with the same sensibility of being in a trash civilisation. It was a shallow culture not worth attending.